I would like to rebuttal J. Joseph’s comments on “Are UFO’s Real?”. The first comment is that are UFO’s piloted by intelligent beings? In saying No, Mr. Joseph has dropped the scientific method for working with an unknown problem. You have to prove that UFO’s don’t exist, which is probably impossible to do. You can’t prove a negative. Mr. Joseph seems to think there is no physical proof of UFO’s. He has not done his homework. As a couple of examples of “hard proof” that something was there but was not identifiable as any known object would be seen on Radar to start with. There are numerous cases where objects were seen on radar (at speeds and maneuvers that aircraft cannot duplicate) and some times these radar returns were correlated with actual visual sightings. These radar returns have been noted and recorded by the military and NORAD (which probably has many they won’t talk about) and the FAA. I am not an expert on radar, but if you are going to say these returns were caused by natural phenomenon, then I will ask you to demonstrate this to me, either mathematically or by demonstration. If you cannot, then your theory does not hold up, go back and work on it! There have been cases where objects were seen to land and leave marks (indentations) in the ground. The weight of an object can be inferred by testing the soil and the depth of the penetrations. This is a known and proven scientific method that will produce a number that is close to the actual weight of the object. As a side note, it has been determined by the above method, that these objects weight tens of thousands of pounds in some cases. These objects have broken tree limbs and broken out glass in car windows and actually collided with cars and aircraft and left marks on them. There are other intangible effects such as causing instruments in aircraft to give wrong indications, radios that quit working, an other phenomenon that do not leave lasting effects.
I disagree with you on judging speed. I am a pilot and I have had military training for night flight, which you must have before flying at night. The apparent movement of a stationary object at night is well understood by pilots as are a number of other night phenomenons that you didn’t mention. I also think my judgment on speed is better than you state. This can be proven by demonstration. I get tired of hearing people say “I believe in UFO’s”. Believe is for religion. Proving something is real is science. Let’s approach the subject in a scientific manner. From what I have read, and considering the sources and facts, these objects seem to be machines. Now, if they are in fact machines, the next question is who made them?
Skyrider
Houston 12/5/2006 2:38:56 PM
Some very good points there.How do you explain the photographs/footage of "ufos"?
George
Shandong. 12/5/2006 1:22:51 AM
Are UFOs real? the question itself is not very well worded. Of course the concept of Unidentified Flying Objects is real. The question is really, are they being piloted by intelligent beings from other planets. The answer to that is simply: No. The real truth is actually in PSYCHOLOGY, not necessarily Physics/Astronomy. If one studies sociology/pschology, one will realize that there is a vast amount of research out there that demonstrates the human brain's ability to be deluded into making very false judgements about objects in the sky. For instance, there is a phenomenon called photometric effect. It happens when the eye sees a light in the sky with little reference, for instance a star on a mostly dark night where other stars cannot be seen. We know from research that people tend to guess that a light that is perfectly stationary is moving or moves, when they see it in mostly darkness (like at night). This phenonmenon is just one example of many. One fact that cannot be denied is that the human mind is terrible at making speed, mass or other readings about objects in the air. Therefore, when pilots and engineers make judgments, even though we assume that they are "trained observers" or "have experience watching things in the sky" they 1. never can be relied upon for many judgments about measurable variables such as speed, height, distance, etc... And not only that, but if one studies UFOs long enough, one realizes that there is enough esoteric Atmospheric phenomena, that many "trained" observers are honestly unaware of. Sociology will teach us that for CENTURIES humankind has been observing unknown atmospheric phenomena and interpreting it through the lens of the times. The people of the 1800s in the US thought it was the great airships, which we know was false, and earlier peoples thought it had to do with Gods. Today, we interpret phenomena that many people aren't familiar with, with Aliens. Why? Because that sort of science fiction is what's in vogue today. In fact, during those earlier times, there were many reports from "reputable" sources. The same sort of sources that UFOlogists tout today. The thing is is that these reputable sources don't lie, they think they saw what they saw. But what people don't realize is that everyone is just as susceptible to falsehoods when it comes fo human percpetion. Any true UFOlogist should read some skeptical books before making his or her judgments.
J. Joseph
Seattle, Washington 12/4/2006 11:51:07 PM
I have experineced a couple of mysteriuos sightings one dating back to 1971 or 72.
As a young boy my friends and i were playing football in the late evening, and later lay on the grass looking up at the night sky as i have always had an interest in astronomy . I spotted what apeared to be at first to be a faint star in the west about 15 - 20 degress above the horizon. I pointed it out to my friends (about five of us) after I noticed it was moving slowly south. Then it began to move more rapidly, darting in short sharp angles. It disappeared from sight after about two minutes. I know what I saw was not a plane or a comet or a star. none of them are capable of moving in this manner.
So what was it?
I have to conclude it was UFO.
Mike
Newcastle upun Tyne, England 12/2/2006 5:20:52 AM
YES THEY ARE REAL, AND ARE FOR OUTSPACE, I AM 56 YEARS OLD AND I HAD SEEN 6 UFOS
1-RED BALL FLYING WEST
2-a SIVER ONE ON TOP OF ME
3- A CLASSIC FORM UFO AT 60 FEET AWAY FROM ME
4-A SPARK IN THE SKY, AND A BEG SPACECRAFT CAME FROM THERE SIDEWAYS
5 A DONUT TYPE DOING CALCULATION UP IN THE ZENITH OF THE SKY
6- A CILINDER TYPE ALL METALLIC ALL THESE DID NOT MAKE ANY NOISE AND THEY WERE HOOVERING FOR AT LEAST 30 SECONDS
Francisco londono
11/30/2006 8:23:24 PM
I think UFOs are real because I saw one in 2001 while vacationing on Cape Cod (Wellfleet, MA). It was appr. 10:30 PM, clear sky, no moon. Suddenly I saw a flash of white light over the roof of our cottage that covered at least a quarter of the sky. My first thought was that it is a nuclear explosion, however, no sound followed this light. My second thought was that it a birth of Supernova. In about 20-30 seconds later another flash of light at a different position more toward the ocean, followed by 5 more flashes each one at a further distance, and eventually disappeared over the horizon. A couple of months later I read in Nature magazine that similar flashes of moving light were observed from the Space station over North-East shore of the US.
Boguslaw
Newton, MA 11/30/2006 8:03:51 PM
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c 11/28/2006 9:14:03 PM
as far as ufo's are concerned , i believe that it is inevitable that UFO's are real,goverments will put it all down to testing of unknown technology,however as far as we are concerned the government to put it lightely talks alot of shit,my veiw is yes they do exist
jermaine
bitmingham 11/27/2006 5:27:33 PM
Yes
dave
Sea,WA 11/27/2006 9:58:14 AM
I have ever seen UFO in Bangkok, Thailand. About 1974-1975 when I was young.
It 's real.
